Roux-En-Y Update: All day Pre-Op Nutritional Class on November 25, 2008

PLEASE NOTE: The following is long, detailed and meant for those who are considering going through this process or who already are working on this process.  I mention this to you now because if you do not fit into either one of these categories the information that I have put below could be VERY, VERY boring to you!  IF you are want to read it just so you can have an “understanding” of what happens then feel free to read… but know that I have forewarned you that it may be very boring to you.  WILL ALL of my posts be this way? No!  Will ALL of my posts be this boring? NO!  This one is only like this because I am providing information.  Informative stuff is always boring…. unless you are the one that is needing or wanting it.

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On the morning of November 25, 2008 I arrived about 30 minutes early to St. Vincent Bariatric Weight Loss Center of Excellence at St. Vincent Hospital in Carmel, Indiana.  When I get there a good amount of people are already there in the lobby.  In fact the lobby is pretty well full at 8:00 am.  The girl at the window is giving everyone that is there for the Pre-op Nutrition Class some paperwork… to go in addition to the paperwork that was already mailed out.  I get my paperwork, sign in, and go have a seat so that I may fill out my additional paperwork.  Not too long after 9 am those of us that are there for this Pre-op Nutrition Class are lead out to take the elevators up to the 2nd floor.  When we get upstairs we were instructed to sit at the tables and that the 3-ring binder notebooks that are on the tables are ours to keep.  I sat next to the “GPS lady”  and her husband, as some of you may remember me talking about her from the November 17th Pre-Op testing.  Her name is Brenda by the way.

The morning was spent going over the foods we can and cannot have during each “phase”, the beverages we can and cannot have during each “phase”, and the Vitamins and Minerals that we will need to take.  I am not going to go into detail about what can and cannot be eatten or drank at this point in time.  What would be the use in that?  The Nurse Practitioner / Nutritionist also talked about what we can expect to be eatting during our time in the hospital, and the day before surgery diet that we will have to do.  (These two I will discuss here in a bit.)

In the afternoon another nutritionist / Nurse practitioner came in and discussed a LOT of information.  I could give you a long chained summary of what all she went over in the afternoon, but I think by doing so you would only become very bored with my details.  I’ll save you from that.  I’ll just say there was a lot of information to take in.. and surprisingly time went very quickly.  They also gave us some “goodies”: a box that had a sharps container in it (for needles) as well as a DVD that discussed the LOVENOX medication, and they gave us a little lunch bag that had a little “sippy” cup, a baby spoon, and a 1 oz. cup (imagine a cup smaller than the medicine cup that comes on the Night Quill bottle… that is what one will be eating from after this surgery…. for a while anyway).

So…… what will my one day prior to surgery (Monday, December 1st) diet going to look like according to their information??? Well…. I am allowed to eat a “light” breakfast that is consistent with regular food.  Woohoo! :O)  For lunch… Lunch has to be a liquid lunch.  Interestingly the items that they put on the list that is “acceptable include: pudding, custard, cream soups, ice cream, hot cereals, mashed potatoes, applesauce and yogurt” (St. Vincent, 2008).  Talk about Carb over kill… Woohoo! :O) Then for dinner…. Clear liquids.  They have listed that “[a]cceptable foods include: grape, cranberry and apple juices; gelatin, broth, popsicles, Italian Ices and Ginger Ale” (St. Vincent, 2008).  Interesting thing about this… Ginger Ale is a Carbonated beverage… ahhh… okay… not too bad.  No Food or Drinks should be ingested AFTER mid-night…. HOWEVER… because my surgery is not until 2 pm they did tell me that I can have clear liquids up to and no later than 9 am on the morning of my surgery (remember that is what the lady told me when I had my pre-op lab testing done).  From 9 am on I cannot have any liquids what so ever.  After the surgery, on day one, Clear Liquids!  The other days during the time you are in the hospital you can expect to be on full liquids, which I’ll discuss later.

Some additional important points that were mentioned in the morning phase that I feel are also highly important to mention here:

A.  Vitamin Supplements – In addition to the regular vitamins that one needs to take one should also be taking:

1.  1000 MCG Sublingual B12 once/week or once  monthly if given as an injection.

2.  100 MCG Thiamin (AKA: Vitamin B1) should be taken weekly.

3.  Multi-vitamins and calcium should be taken at least 2 hours apart.

4.  Calcium tablets should be spaced out and not taken but 2 hours apart from one another.

B.  Protein

1.  Getting plenty of protein in can help in reducing the potential of Protein Calorie Malnutrition (PCM).  According to the forms they gave us symptoms of PCM can include: Poor healing after the surgery, hair loss after the surgery, muscle loss after the surgery, and lack of energy (St. Vincent, 2008).  So if you are having any of these symptoms then it would be wise to call your surgeon as you may be experiencing PCM.

2.  A very good list of the types of protein supplements that can be consumed is given all over the place on ObesityHelp.com so I won’t go through that here.

C.  Other things they make note of that I found interesting / important:

1.  Daily Fluid Intake: 64-80 ounces of water (or even Fruit-2-O is okay) or low calorie fluids (such as skim milk (if you can tolerate it), Sugar-Free, Non-carbonated beverages, Decaf Tea and Decaf Coffee) is still to be consumed daily through a “sipper cup” at first and then through a sports / water bottle.  They did stress that it is important to “sip” as there have been people who have actually sat down and chugged 6 oz of fluid and messed up their sutures and had to go back into the hospital for emergency surgery because of it.  So, when they say “sip” they truly mean “sip” and they gave us a child’s “sippy cup” to use to re-learn how to truly “sip”.

2.  NO drinking of ANY beverage DURING meals and NO drinking of ANY beverage UNTIL 30 minutes AFTER your meal.  (Drinking beverages up to the moment you begin to eat is fine though.)

3.  Avoid Caffeinated Beverages for the first 3-6 months!!!!  You know what that means, right?????  YEAH… I can have real coffee and tea again after 3 months (possibly 6 months)… I find this to be good news because I have been under the impression it was a permanent thing (Part of the reason I put this in bold)…. THIS also includes Carbonated beverages!!! YEAH… I’ll one day get to drink my diet coke again. :O) Happy, happy, joy, joy!  (I will be one though that will wait until Dr. Gupta tells me it is safe to consume caffeinated and carbonated beverages again because these two things can mess with the stomach linning and cause pressure against the suture line and I do not want to mess up anything dealing with that.)

4.  Alcohol is to be avoided for at least the first year (something I already knew but decided to put that here again as… well… some people may need to be reminded).

5.  I heard two different conflicting opinions about exercise from the lady in the morning compared to the lady in the afternoon.  The one in the morning said that “anything beyond walking on a treadmill requires that a surgeon give a release for” and the lady in the afternoon said, “any exercise other than regular walking should be given the release from the surgeon first, even if it is walking on a treadmill.”  When I hear two different conflicting things…. such as in this instance…. I am just going to make a note to make sure that I ask my surgeon for clarification.  With the weather getting cold and snow on its way it is going to be most likely that I will be walking on a treadmill… unless I can talk some people at the high school into letting me go over there and walk around the gym (boring) every day.

6.  It was suggested that gum and candy (including sugar-free gum and candy) be avoided as it has been known that people have swallowed these whole and caused their stomach openings leading into the intestinal tract to become obstructed, and thus they needed to go back into the hospital for surgery and have them removed.  (Word to the wise… do not swallow your gum and candy whole in an attempt to avoid having someone catch you with it in your mouth!)

7.  IF you see the word “Sucralose” on the “ingredients” label know that this is a “Splenda” brand  and is acceptable.

8.  IF you see “High Fructose Corn Syrup” on the label… then the product has sugar!

9.  Measure food by volume not by weight!! So… this means… NO need to use a food scale!
1 ounce = 2 tablespoons = 1/8 cup
2 ounces = 4 tablespoons = 1/4 cup
4 ounces = 8 tablespoons = 1/2 cup
6 ounces = 12 tablespoons = 3/4 cup
8 ounces = 16 tablespoons = 1 cup

10.  They suggested NOT to take the Calcium Citrate Supplement: “Tropical Oasis” (which is a orange liquid)… not just because it is pricy but because they said that it lacks Iron and therefore you will need to take extra Iron supplements.  You would also have to take 6 tablespoons of this a day to meet the requirements.  I thought this was interesting enough to share because I have heard a lot of talk about this product on obesityhelp.com.

11.  Someone pointed out… and the Nutritionist said this would be acceptable because it is sugar free… that Nestle Quick now comes also Sugar-Free.  So if you like that sort of thing……

12.  Step on the scale only once a week, take pictures every few weeks to once a month so that you can “see” how you are doing… you may not notice it but others will notice it first.

13.  It is normal for ones stomach to not be able to tolerate one type of food one day and tolerate it the next.

14.  Go to at least one support group meeting a month as they have, from what they said, found that patients who do go at least once a month have a tendency to lose 10% more than those who do not go.

15.  You are suppose to walk 10,000 steps a day, on a normal typical day… get a Pedometer and see how many you walk.  If you do not walk 10k steps a day then work up to that.  If you do then work on going over that.

16.  Wear the Abdominal binder for about 2 weeks or until the surgeon tells you that you no longer need it.

17.  IF you notice some weight gain after surgery they say this is normal water gain and that it will go away.

One other thing I found interesting… but I do not know how true it is as it may have been slightly over exaggerated (not sure though).  The afternoon nurse practitioner had said that in December alone all of the surgeons at their hospital that are doing just Bariatric Surgery will be performing 190 surgeries in the month.  She said that December is always their busiest month because of insurance policy changes that occur at the beginning of the next year as well as because those who are either self-pay or are paying a portion of their surgery want to have the tax advantage.  This does not mean that “my” surgeon is performing 190 surgeries in the month of December, but the number of ALL the Gastric Bypass (or Bariatric Surgeries, or Weight Loss Surgeries) surgeries that are scheduled to be performed by all the surgeons that do this at their hospital.  To some this may seem like too many, but to those who are seriously looking at this procedure… it speaks volumes in the form of experience.

So… Well… That about does it for my update regarding the ALL DAY LONG Pre-Op Nutritional Class for this surgery.

~Tammy~

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WLS – Pre-Op Testing, Incentive Spirometer, pre-op diet and old friends.

Yesterday (Nov. 17, 2008) I spent the morning at St. Vincents Carmel hospital getting my pre-operative testing done for the upcoming December 2nd Roux-en-Y surgery.  Of course this meant that I was not allowed to have had anything to eat or drink after midnight… typically standard.  I got there about a half hour earlier (8:15) than when I really needed to be there (8:45).  Went through the check-in and pre-registration process for the surgery then prepared to sit and wait. Oh… and they gave me a very neat Itinerary that laid out everything that had to be done and when approximately they would do each one.  I was thoroughly impressed with that.

I am right now thinking about how I can imagine (since I haven’t really talked to her yet) how my mom would comment that I am like my Dad… as while reading a book and waiting to be called back I found myself in the mix of a conversation with two other people in the waiting room regarding where the closest Wal-mart was.  I just sat there watching and listening as the other 2 were seeing if they could find it on the GPS and waited just in case they did so I could write down the directions for her.  Ah… it was just something to do to pass the time.  Discovered by asking someone who worked there that it is just north of the hospital on U.S. 31 about a half a mile to a mile.  I actually thought that was valuable information to know… just in case I need to relay it to Jason next month while I am there for those few days and I need to send him out for some strange reason. LOL  Rather funny… No matter where you go that may be unfamiliar territory it is always good to know where the closest Wal-mart is.

So I get called to start my little process, to which they were right on time… if not a little early.  Around 9 am I was in getting my labs done. Eight vials of blood and the cup thingy…. and that is all I have to say about that.  From there I was escorted down to Radiology… we walked… where I sat for about 5 minutes in another waiting room.  Went back at around 9:30 to change (from the waiste up) into a gown that truly was one-size fits all.  Went to go sit in another little waiting section… oh… cool… someone familiar!  Talked to the “GPS lady” (I can’t remember her name… I am wanting to say it was Brenda but I am not sure… so I am sticking with GPS lady at the moment) from earlier.  I think that that familiarity made both of us feel a little better about the immediate forthcoming unknown of these tests.  So they come out and get me first.  I go and do my Chest X-ray.

I have never had a Chest X-ray done and what was going through my mind??? Yep… the horror stories that women all hear of the dreaded Mammogram.  But, that is not what they did. LOL… funny though. :O)  I was rather happy.. no mammogram.  LOL.  (OHHHH… side thought… I would have, and could have, just wrote exactly what tests that I had done, but I am giving more detail because there are people who are considering this procedure and have that “need” to have details… I’ll “try” not be too gross though. :O) )  For those who have never had a Chest X-ray done and wonder about how it is done I actually found a fairly good YouTube video for you (See below).  Not too painful. :O)  (Please let me know if by chance the videos below become “inoperable”.  That way I can find a different one to take its place.)

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When finished with that I was then taken to my next location…. just down the hall to do the Upper GI X-ray.  When I get in there (and unfortunately I did not find a very good video for this one… wish I had as it would cut down on the typing a little) they have these two little bitty 1 oz cups with stuff in them.  One of the cups had about an ounce worth of water in it and the other had these little white crystals that reminded me a lot of PopRocks candy.  I had to put the Crystals in my mouth first and then add the water.  This causes the Crystals to fizz up quickly and you are forced to swallow it, BUT you cannot belch (which they do make you wish you could do).  Next thing… I am given this cup with about 1 cup worth of white Pepto looking and smelling liquid… if you want to call it liquid… it was super thick and well… I won’t lie to you…. it was gross.  The stuff is very hard to keep down and you are told you cannot belch, even though you really want to.  Standing on this little platform thingy that has a back I am then told that they are going to flip this thing over to where I will go from standing on it to laying on it (in other words it is a table that is mechanically moved into a side up-right standing position and they mechanically flip it backwards where you are then laying on it).  I closed my eyes on that one.  I have problems with vertigo and I was anticipating that it would make me dizzy… it wasn’t too bad though.  When in this laying down position I am then instructed to roll over completely so that they could have that Barium liquid completely coat the inside of the stomach giving them better pictures.  So I roll in several different positions for picture taking.  THEN… the other nurse comes in and gives me yet another cup (this time with a straw in it) and tells me that I have to drink more Barium liquid… of which is not as thick but still as nasty.  I had to take one BIG gulp and then swallow that one big gulp in three times.  Finally they tell me to lay flat with my back against the table again and they set the table back in it’s upright position. (Kind of felt like I was giving details of a plane flight just then… lol.)  I am then told I can finally belch.  I am then escorted back to the dressing room then off to the waiting room

At around 10:30 am I am picked up from the waiting room by another nurse (who reminded me sooo much of a friend of mine) and am taken back to have an EKG and breathing test done.  Guess what??? I am still breathing… LOL. Sorry can’t get rid of me THAT easy. hehe.  The first test is the EKG test (AKA: ECG test).  I have attached a very good YouTube video below that shows you how this test is done.

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After the EKG (or ECG) test the nurse (or technician) had me do a breath test (or a Pulmonary Function Test).  Since I was not able to find a good video as to how this was done by them I’ll just say… it is easy to do.  Alright!  I’ll tell you the best I can.  I had to sit on the edge of the chair with my back straight, I had to put this tube next to my cheek, in-hale for about 3 seconds and then blow all the air out in one full sweep, then in-hale again while this tube was still in my mouth.  I had to do this a few times in order to get the hang of it, but it really was VERY simple to do.

After the Pulmonary Function Test (PFT) the nurse / technician showed me how to use what is called the Incentive Spirometer.  I think this is rather interesting.  Starting today (Nov. 18th) I will have to do this test four times / day and will have to mark my chart each time.  I found an interesting link that will give you a video demonstration on how to do this and what it is used for.  In addition I found a very informative pdf link: http://medicalcenter.osu.edu/pdfs/PatientEd/Materials/PDFDocs/dis-cond/respirat/in-sp-mouth.pdf and also: http://www.rcjournal.com/cpgs/ispircpg.html.

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When I go in to have the surgery on Dec. 2nd I have to bring back with me this Spirometer that they have given as I will have to use it every hour I am awake in the hospital.  I was told that this will help prevent any upper respiratory infection including pneumonia.

After these tests were complete I had to meet with yet one more nurse / technician / what ever her job is.  Walk into her little room and… hey… it’s the GPS lady again. :O)  We both had a good little chuckle.  Here we were given a booklet titled “Patient Surgery Guide” that has information about what we need to do before the surgery, information about the waiting rooms for who ever goes with you so they know where to go for the cafeteria and sorts, the Anesthesia, pain management techniques, etc., etc.  She told me that since my surgery is at 2 pm I can have clear liquids up until, and no later than, 9 am on the morning of the surgery.  She discussed what they were going to do in prep for the surgery and talked briefly about the Nutrition class that ironically both the GPS lady and I have together next week on November 25th.  GPS lady mentioned her surgery is with Dr. Jones and she is scheduled for surgery on December 4th first thing in the morning.  I was done with my testing by 11:30 am.  Because I have had my gallbladder already removed (in 2002) I did not have to have an Ultra Sound test, but usually this is also one of the tests that are performed from what I have been told.

Left there, came home and picked up Jason, went and got a bite to eat, went to Wal-mart and ran into an old friend from grade school who I have seen throughout the years as we used to go to church together.  We saw each other and I think I heard a sigh from both of our husbands, who kind of went off on their own accord briefly knowing we were going to talk.  (A lot of us that went to school together have mentioned how we cannot seem to not run into someone we grew up with at the Wal-mart in College Park… and the worse part is… we always seem to “think” we look like hell worn over every time we go in there and never without fail run into someone.)  LOL… Ironically we ran into each other in the vitamin & supplements aisle.  Come to find out she had this same surgery done 3 weeks ago.  She is doing okay but says that she has found that she does not tolerate milk that well and doesn’t like the protein shots is hoping that this next beverage thing she was getting would help with the protein that is needed.  We talked about myspace and facebook, which she is not on… yet.  Talked more about the procedure though.  She told me that her surgeon was Dr. Evanson… to which I couldn’t help but tell her MacKenzie’s little stunt of telling him that he was “hot” at one of the support group meetings we went to.  She chuckled and said that she agreed with that thought.  We exchanged contact information and I look forward to talking to her more later.  Holley, if you read this… thanks for the advice and I am so glad I ran into you.

Okay… so.. now… that leave me with today. Today is the start of the pre-op diet that they start us on 2 weeks prior to surgery.  So… high protein (80 g / day), low carbs (no more than 20 g of carbs / day), lots of water, no caffeine, no carbonated beverages, no sugar, multi-vitamins, additional vitamin B complex, additional vitamin B-12, Calcium citrate, fat-free (or Skim) Milk (which reminds me I need to go out and find some packets of non-fat creamer, has to have no carbs, for my coffee when I am out with friends… if anyone finds some tell me brand and place, please).  Next week I am going to go buy a digital food scale.  I am going to take a break on Thanksgiving day though.  I won’t hord the carbs, but I will enjoy a little more than 20g… and I will stay away from the caffeine and carbonated beverages.  Oh… and no alcohol… not allowed to have any alocohol… unless it is rubbing alcohol and then that is only for a wound.  Fun, fun, joy, joy.

Goodness!  I wrote a lot this morning.  So “everyone” should be satisfied and should know what to be expected at this point.  One side thought though… I am surprised at how many people that I have talked to whose Doctor’s are NOT apart of Carmel Surgical Specialists, but are apart of the St. Vincent Carmel Bariatric Center of Excellence system have not recommended that patients get online and go check out obesityhelp.com.  If you are considering this surgery, have someone you know that is considering this surgery, or just want to learn more about this surgery please go check out this site, which includes a discussion board, at:  http://www.obesityhelp.com.  You will be so glad that you did.

I’ll update again soon.  Talk to you later.

~Tammy~

Another Roux-en-Y Update

Today I got in the mail the letter from Heather G – Surgical Coordinator with the following information forms/letters enclosed:

1) Surgical information letter giving date, time, location entrance number, and pre-surgery instructions (like no eating or drinking after mid-night on the day before / day of surgery, etc.

2) Pre-op testing information letter which gives the date of pre-op testing (November 17th), the time, length (3 hours), and instructions… like not eating after mid-night, and the types of testing that will be performed: Chest X-ray, Upper GI and Ultra Sound (although I will most likely not have to have the Ultra-sound due to the fact that I do not have my gallbladder any longer and the ultra sound is to look and see how the gallbladder is).

3) Reminder sheet that gives a reminder to call and schedule the nutritional class that is required.(November 25th)  This will be a six (6) hour long class starting in the morning and going until about 4:30, with a one hour lunch.

4) A informational letter (standard form letter) reminding that a pre-surgical diet of low carb and high protein diet.  I called Melinda, whose number was listed on the letter, and got more specifics about this and she confirmed that this should be started about 2 weeks prior to surgery.  She also went ahead and scheduled me for the nutritional class on November 25th.  I did inquire with her about the calcium citrate and vitamin B complex pills being able to be crushed and added to the protein shake instead of the applesauce.  She said that should be just fine.  She said that would also be okay after surgery as long as they weren’t the extended release.  I do not have a specific amount in which I have to lose prior to surgery because I am right on the line.  If I were significantly above that minimum required BMI amount then I would be required to lose some.  Melinda also confirmed my address and will be sending out a packet of stuff that I will have to fill out and bring it with me on the day of the nutritional class.

5)  They gave me a list of “Alternative Protein Supplements” that are acceptable listed by stores.  I will check with the Center and see if it is okay with them if I write this list into a page here on the blog.

6)  A map of the hospital property.

7)  A Surgery Waiting Room informational sheet that gives details for family, friends who may be waiting for you while you may be in surgery.

Okay… well… That is where I am at right now.

~Tammy~

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